topic Re: How to sizing a quantum spark in Spark Firewall (SMB)

How to sizing a quantum spark

Degree — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 02:56:02 GMT

Hi Team,

Any idea to size a small gateway like spark base on the number of the user?

ie. I need a SMB gateway that can cater 50 users.

Does anyone have a documentation for the sizing of SMB gateway per user or throughput?

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

Blason_R — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 03:16:36 GMT

Check Point local SE should be able to help you. Did you contact them?

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

the_rock — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 03:22:45 GMT

Hopefully below is helpful to you.

Andy

https://www.checkpoint.com/downloads/products/1500-security-gateway-datasheet.pdf

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

G_W_Albrecht — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 08:18:06 GMT

From SMB-Onboarding-Kit:

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

Degree — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 08:28:19 GMT

Is it possible to send me the document/links for reference?

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

Degree — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 08:32:34 GMT

thank you @the_rock 🙂

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

Degree — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 08:32:51 GMT

Thank you @Blason_R

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

G_W_Albrecht — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 09:17:19 GMT

https://community.checkpoint.com/t5/Partner-Resource-Hub/SMB-Onboarding-Deck/ta-p/167017/jump-to/first-unread-message

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

genisis__ — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:51:10 GMT

Is there a doc or video which compares a spark 1800 with 6200 so we can see what features and functions are different to make a more informed technical choice rather the just looking at the figures on a datasheet? I'm also interested in knowing the CPU differences.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

CheckPointerXL — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 18:51:15 GMT

Hi all,

any relevant feature to highlight between new quantum spark PRO line (1535,1555,1575,1595) and "old" line (1530,1550,1570,1590)? I'm going deep inside datasheets but it seems a classic Product Line refresh, Am i wrong?

Any particular reason to get a quote for a 1590 and not a 1595 or viceversa?

thank you

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

genisis__ — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:48:03 GMT

From what I can tell it looks like 5G support, and I suspect newer CPU under the hood.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

Chris_Atkinson — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 22:15:33 GMT

WiFi6 is also an enhancement offered with the PRO series for those needing wireless Lan capability.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

PhoneBoy — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 22:42:29 GMT

All SMB appliances (including 1800) are ARM based and run Embedded Gaia.
All other appliances use Intel processors and run Regular Gaia.
Even if we provided more precise details on the processors used (which we don't), ARM and Intel have different performance characteristics.

You can see a partial list of differences between Embedded Gaia and regular Gaia here: https://support.checkpoint.com/results/sk/sk92741
Specific software features that aren't supported on Embedded Gaia are listed here: https://support.checkpoint.com/results/sk/sk178604

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

PhoneBoy — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 00:02:01 GMT

If you need to run R80.20.xx for some reason, you will need to get a 1590 as I assume the new appliances only support R81.10.xx.
Otherwise, I believe the main benefits of the newer appliances are WiFi6, 5G support, and a modest performance improvement.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

genisis__ — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 08:50:00 GMT

Are there an vids comparing 1800 to 6200 appliances? Would like to know the differences, especially when it comes to cli functions.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

PhoneBoy — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 16:07:33 GMT

There are no videos comparing the two that I'm aware of (at least produced by Check Point).

In general, there are some CLI differences between Embedded Gaia and regular Gaia.
Some of the clish syntax is different, but I believe most of the same functions are there on both.
One thing Embedded Gaia has that regular Gaia does not is the ability to edit access policy via the CLI (if a locally managed device).
Expert mode is different due to the nature of the underlying OS (regular Gaia is based on RHEL, Embedded Gaia is not).
Debugging gateway functions is substantially similar between the two, though in some cases, the debug steps might be different.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

genisis__ — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:38:41 GMT

great thanks.

From a CPU point of view, I believe there is an ARM processor used, is this multi-threaded? I basically thinking elephant flows here and ensuring there is at least 4 cores available.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

PhoneBoy — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 22:33:16 GMT

All Check Point appliances have a minimum of two cores and are 64bit capable, both of which are required by the R8x code base.
The only current SMB appliances that have less than four cores are the 1530 and 1570 (they have three).
The 1550 and 1590 both have four cores, and I believe the 1600/1800 appliances have 12 cores (at different clock speeds).

If you're concerned about elephant flows, note that Hyperflow is not yet available on SMB appliances.
Hyperflow is a feature added to R81.20 to assist with processing elephant flows that use Medium Path.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

genisis__ — Fri, 03 Mar 2023 10:20:58 GMT

Awesome thanks, and yes it was related to elephant flows; with 12 cores at least a flow should not impact the rest of the box.
I did not think hyperflow was going to be usable on appliances with less then 20 cores.

I did also note in the datasheet, there appears to be no support for LOM cards, which is a real shame.

Re: How to sizing a quantum spark

G_W_Albrecht — Fri, 03 Mar 2023 10:52:07 GMT

LOM cards are for another market segment - this is Embedded GAiA Flash-Based (except 1800) intended for SMBs ! LOM is available starting with Mid-Sized Enterprise models (6x00).