topic Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_<Group>) to Assign Permissions in SASE and Remote Access

Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:36:05 GMT

Remote Access VPN R80.10 (Part of Check Point Infinity)

I'm using the above guide to setup RADIUS authentication with a return value that will set my created RAD_Test group like shown here:

Configuring RADIUS Settings for Users

To define a RADIUS user group:

In SmartConsole, the Objects tab, click New > More > Users > User Group.
The New User Group window opens.
Enter the name of the group in this format: RAD_<group_name>.
Make sure the group is empty.
Click OK.
Install policy.

My problem is that when I create this RAD_Test user group, I can't use that user group in my security policy to assign permissions to servers/networks. This part is left out of the documentation. I know in the mobile access policy that I can assign services/applications but I need to be able to restrict what the groups can access...not just the service/application they can or cannot use.

Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:40:07 GMT

Well, I ended up finding it outside of the documentation. Instead of clicking the + in the Source of the policy you have to right click and select 'Add Legacy User Access...'

You also cannot drag/drop the User Group from the Objects pane to the right...

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Norbert_Bohusch — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:16:19 GMT

You can also activate Identity Awareness and use "Access Role" objects to accomplish the same.

If using R80.10 and unified policy the "Legacy User Access" is not supported anymore and you have to stick with "Access Role" objects anyway!

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:24:56 GMT

Yeah even though it's in the R80.10 documentation I can't get it to work where it sets the access based on the RADIUS return value...

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Norbert_Bohusch — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:31:27 GMT

can you share more about your configuration? radius-server-object configuration etc.?

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:43:47 GMT

I'm using NPS Microsoft Server and I see it hitting my rules for authentication. I have the Vendor-Specific value set like this as noted in the documentation:

To use RADIUS groups, you must define a return attribute in the RADIUS user profile of the RADIUS server. This attribute is returned to the Security Gateway and contains the group name (for example, RAD_<group to which the RADIUS users belong>) to which the users belong.

Use these RADIUS attributes (refer to RFC 2865):

For SecurePlatform - attribute "Class" (25)
For other operating systems, including Gaia, Windows, and IPSO- attribute "Vendor-Specific" (26)

I have it set to 26 on my NPS, according to the document, but I just noticed in the GuiDBEdit the default is 25 for the radius_groups_attr setting. I'll udpate that and let you know how that works. Basically, I just followed that document.

I do have another issues though that I'd like you input. We have office mode setup, for example with 10.10.10.0/24, and when I authenticate I do get an address in that range on my endpoint but I want to be able to get to internal assets at that site that are not within that VPN range. So I need to get to 10.10.100.0/24, 10.10.120.0/24, etc. How do I accomplish this? When I do a route print after connecting to the CP VPN I only get a route for the office mode range.

This is separate from the RADIUS groups but I noticed that this wouldn't work even if the RADIUS groups worked...

I appreciate your willingness to help!

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Chris_Hoff — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:38:40 GMT

Hey Heath,

I am wondering if you ever got this to work as you intended. One thing to note, the internal networks are setup via the encryption domain. You would need to make sure you have the encryption domain setup appropriately in order to get them into your routes.

Chris

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:48:35 GMT

I did get the VPN to work but abandoned setting the role based on the RADIUS group as I believe this feature does not work. Not even CP could get this to work.

I did eventually get the routing figured out. Thanks for the input and for reaching out!

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Norbert_Bohusch — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:05:53 GMT

Regarding the attributes: have you accounting enabled on your radius server objects?

[edit] and btw. did you enable "add_radius_groups" in AdvancedConfiguration of Global Properties?

Regarding the office mode setup: how does your encryption domain look like?

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:39:33 GMT

Yes, I followed the guidance and we even put on WireShark on the NPS server to see the recieved and return values being sent correctly back to CP but we were never able to see the correct setting of roles on the CP side. We even engaged CP support to take a look and the consensus was "this should work". We tried to play with the return values 25, 26, etc. for the NPS attribute class to no avail.

Encryption domain was the entire /24 we wanted to gain access.

We've abandoned this setup. If you have this working then I'd be interested in anything you could post for future site setups but at this moment we are not actively working on getting this to work. Thanks

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Amit_Koren — Thu, 08 Mar 2018 23:08:08 GMT

Are you using multiple authentications?

I just tested it in a lab.

I got the RAD_group working if i use RADIUS authentication only.

But if i use LDAP for first authentication and RADIUS for second authentication, it does not work.

The workaround i found was to configure the Checkpoint to only authenticate with the RADIUS server and configure the RADIUS sever to do back-end authentication with the active directory.

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Fri, 09 Mar 2018 18:11:33 GMT

I'm certainly interested in your setup. Could you throw together some screenshots? What version/take are you on? I only had RADUIS setup at the time...I believe.

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Amit_Koren — Fri, 09 Mar 2018 19:32:51 GMT

R77.30 Jumbo take 292. But i did that setup some time ago for a customer with older take.

from the guide: VPN for Remote Access Considerations

To give access through RADIUS server groups:

In SmartDashboard, go to Manage > Server and OPSEC Applications.
Servers and OPSEC Applications window opens.
Click New > RADIUS.
The RADIUS Server Properties window opens.
Configure new server properties:
1. Name the RADIUS Server object.
2. Click New to create a new Host Object.
  Host Node window opens.
3. Enter the Name and the IP Address of the new RADIUS Host object, and click OK.
4. Select the Service - RADIUS (on port 1645) or NEW-RADIUS (on port 1812 service).
  Note - The default setting is RADIUS, however the RADIUS standards group recommends using NEW-RADIUS, because port 1645 can conflict with the datametrics service running on the same port.
5. Enter the Shared Secret that you configured on the RADIUS server.
6. Select the version - RADIUS Ver. 1.0 Compatible (RFC 2138 compliant) or RADIUS Ver. 2.0 Compatible (RFC 2865 compliant).
7. Select the Priority, if you use more than one RADIUS Authentication server.
8. Click OK.
9. Click Close.
Create a generic* External User Profile:
1. Go to Manage > Users and Administrators.
  Users and Administrators window opens.
2. Go to New > External User Profile > Match all users.
  External User Profile Properties window opens.
3. In the Authentication tab, select RADIUS as the Authentication Scheme.
4. Select the created RADIUS server (not the node) from the drop-down list.
5. Click OK.
6. Click Close.
Define the RADIUS user groups
1. Go to Manage > Users & Administrators.
  Users and Administrators window opens.
2. Go to New > User Group.
  Group Properties window opens.
3. Enter the name of the group in this format: RAD_<group to which the RADIUS users belong>. Make sure the group is empty.
4. Click OK.
5. Click Close.
Create the required Rule Base rules to allow access to RADIUS users.
Save the changes.
Close all SmartConsole windows.
On the Security Management Server, use GuiDBedit to change the value of the add_radius_groups attribute from false to true.
Save.
Close GuiDBedit.
Open SmartDashboard.
Install the policy.
On the RADIUS server, edit the RADIUS users to include a class RADIUS attribute on the users Return list that corresponds to the user group that they access.

Make sure you did step 9 in GuiDBedit otherwise the system will not look for RAD_group.

I kept using class 25. i see no reason to change it.

I would also recommand running Wireshark on the RADIUS server if possible and (enter the preshared key under preferences->protocol) and see if the RADIUS reply includes a class 25 attribute.

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Harshpal_Bhati — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 11:19:49 GMT

i have tested the same in Demo LAB , Attaching the configuration snaps including Radius .

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Edi_Rozenstein — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 04:48:08 GMT

Hey Guys,
Anyone got this setup to work using on premise MFA?

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:40:51 GMT

Duo uses an on premise proxy/connector to the cloud service. The RADIUS server is basically setup to the Duo proxy which forwards to the actual RADIUS server. If the response is successful then the proxy reaches out to the cloud for the MFA. If that is successful then the RADIUS response is released to the gateway. I would assume it would work similar for totally on-prem solutions like RSA, SafeNet, etc.

We have verified the updated instructions from CP for setting up this RADIUS connections with the CP groups does work. I appreciate the response from the original post from everyone that responded.

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Edi_Rozenstein — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:41:24 GMT

The only problem with MFA and this has quiet different behaviour from NPS radius server for example in the fact that you cannot make conditions based on AD groups. for instance, if you set RADIUS attributes (class 25 or any other attr) it's basically being sent back for all groups\users associated. Then we need to forward our RADIUS request through the MFA(cause we still need the OTP features from) to another RADIUS server(NPS, RSA etc)which will basically make the conditions based attributes received and AD groups.

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

Heath — Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:12:35 GMT

Are you saying in general with NPS/RADIUS you can't set access for a user in an AD group or you are having a CP problem with using that response to set the access? I can say that we are setting CP permissions based on NPS/RADIUS response through MFA by following the most recent CP documentation utilizing Microsoft NPS, Duo, and CP.

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

upmitnetworksec — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 07:00:10 GMT

Same concern we have, do you get any success till now ??
Refer the below Logs:-
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AVP: t=Class(25) l=46 val=89f1076200000137000102008dac98d30000000000000000…

Re: Using RADIUS Groups (RAD_) to Assign Permissions

sk25977 — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 04:40:19 GMT

Hi all,

i am configure as the guide of you and after install policy on SMC but remote access vpn fail authen. Can you description step by step configure?

Thank you so much.