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ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

HeikoAnkenbrand — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 08:29:25 GMT

In the past few weeks, I’ve worked on several projects where I had to decide whether to continue using ClusterXL or switch to ElasticXL.

That’s why I keep asking myself: what is the ideal choice to use at the moment?

What are your experiences, and which path are you choosing?

ClusterXL
R82 ClusterXL Administration Guide - ClusterXL Modes

Advantages	Disadvantages
Mature and proven technology – ClusterXL has been around for many versions and is well-documented.	Limited scalability: Sync overhead grows with the number of cluster members, especially in Load Sharing mode.
Supports both High Availability (HA) and Load Sharing (Active/Active) modes.	IPv6 limitations: Historically limited in Load Sharing mode.
HA mode provides simple redundancy: one active member and one standby, ideal for traditional failover setups.	Less future-oriented: Not designed for dynamic scaling or on-the-fly resource expansion.
Load Sharing mode allows multiple members to process traffic simultaneously, increasing throughput.
Extensive field experience – well-understood by admins and supported by many best practices.
VSX support

ElasticXL
R82 Scalable Platforms Administration Guide - Working with ElasticXL Cluster

Advantages	Disadvantages
Modern architecture: Introduced in Check Point R82 as a next-generation clustering model.	New technology: Still relatively new, so there’s less real-world experience and potential early-stage issues.
Single Management Object (SMO): The cluster is managed as one unified gateway object, simplifying administration.	Feature limitations: Some traditional modes (like “Traditional VSX”) are not yet supported.
Simplified scalability: Members can be added or removed on the fly, cloning configuration and software automatically from the SMO.	Migration effort: Moving from ClusterXL to ElasticXL requires planning and possibly new tools or workflows. The conversion tool from VSX to VSNext will be released later.
Dual-site support: Enables deployment across two physical locations.	Operational learning curve: ElasticXL introduces new management and deployment concepts that differ from classic clusters.
Improved flexibility and scaling: Designed for elastic, cloud-like environments with dynamic growth.
VSNext support

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

the_rock — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 08:50:20 GMT

Thanks for that Heiko, super helpful.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

the_rock — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 08:52:53 GMT

FWIW, from chatgpt:

Key Differences / Trade‑Offs

Here are important comparisons you’ll want to evaluate:

Feature	ClusterXL	ElasticXL
Architecture & management	Traditional clustering: configure each member, cluster object in SmartConsole, manual sync of config/state. sc1.checkpoint.com+1	New style: cluster acts as one object (SMO), simpler member onboarding, automatic sync of config/software. Check Point CheckMates+1
Max cluster size / scalability	Up to 5 members in load sharing mode (but performance drops over ~4) according to R81.10 guide. sc1.checkpoint.com+1	Up to 3 members per site (and up to 6 in total across a dual‑site) in current ElasticXL design. Check Point CheckMates+1
Modes supported	HA (Active/Standby) and Load Sharing (Active/Active) natively. Fir3net+1	Primarily designed for “load‑sharing pivot/unicast” mode; for HA you can run 2 nodes but the architecture assumptions are slightly different. Check Point CheckMates+1
Member onboarding / operations	More manual: each node must be configured, synced, managed individually.	Much more streamlined: add member, gets config from SMO, fewer manual steps.
Feature maturity / support	Very mature, many field deployments, well documented.	Newer: fewer field references, some features may be limited or not yet fully hardened in all use‑cases. One user comment: “I wouldn’t advise moving to R82 unless you have a feature you specifically need.” Reddit
Use case fit	Works very well in environments where you need HA or up to moderate scale load‑sharing and you want proven stability.	Better fit when you need higher scale, easier operations, plan for growth, or active/active clusters with multiple nodes.
Downside / caveats	May require more manual configuration; performance limitations when scaling; older architecture.	Because it’s newer, some corner‑cases might still have less field maturity; may not yet support all ClusterXL use‑cases or third‑party integrations. E.g., one forum post: “ElasticXL is not intended to replace the classic ClusterXL at this point” and “there are certain clustering situations which ElasticXL will probably never be able to handle”.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

Bob_Zimmerman — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 14:37:16 GMT

ElasticXL actually isn't all that new. It's mostly a combination of technologies which have existed for years. It's still mostly ClusterXL (managed and inspected with all the same commands, just a new HA-over-LS traffic distribution mode), the members use VMACs, and the configuration stuff is mostly just a cloning group. There is some new stuff, but less than it seems.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

PhoneBoy — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 19:34:30 GMT

Nice work.
A couple of additions:

ElasticXL has API support (Gaia API) for adding/removing cluster members.
From a licensing perspective, ElasticXL requires less management licenses (for the SMO only, whereas a traditional cluster requires one for each gateway). A potential con is with -HA gateway SKUs, which only work with ClusterXL.
The new 3900s cannot use ElasticXL currently (not sure why).

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

Bob_Zimmerman — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 19:29:54 GMT

@PhoneBoy wrote:

From a licensing perspective, ElasticXL requires less (for the SMO only, whereas a traditional cluster requires one for each gateway).

Important note! This is about management licenses. You still have to have a gateway license for each member of an ElasticXL cluster, but since the whole cluster appears to the management as a single firewall, the whole cluster only consumes one management license.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

PhoneBoy — Tue, 21 Oct 2025 19:33:52 GMT

Thanks for clarifying that, I'll fix that in the original.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

Alex- — Wed, 22 Oct 2025 06:19:02 GMT

For new deployments, we try to go with ElasticXL/VSNext as much as possible, this is where the development will be for years to come and better get used with the new tech as soon as possible in real-world situations.

This being said, we have customers who insist on deploying proven technologies because all the changes are too much at the same time when you add features like UPPAK, P/E cores and so on.

Obviously, a migration tool would greatly help with the technological adoption, we seldom have the opportunity to completely tear down and recreate production clusters.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

HeikoAnkenbrand — Wed, 22 Oct 2025 10:05:43 GMT

Hi @PhoneBoy,

Since I’ve seen this question come up several times in the forum, I decided to write a Maestro licensing article:
Maestro Licensing

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

HeikoAnkenbrand — Wed, 22 Oct 2025 15:04:11 GMT

@PhoneBoy

As far as I know, the 39xx appliances have ARM-based CPUs, and therefore not all software features have been implemented yet

PRJ-611 43	To manage 3900 appliances: The Management Server must run the R82 Jumbo Hotfix Accumulator, Take 19 or higher. You must use R82 SmartConsole, Build 1053 or higher.
-	By design, the 3900 appliances do not support the Standalone configuration.
PMTR-114921	The 3900 appliances do not support the ElasticXL configuration.
PMTR-106079, PMTR-114923	The 3900 appliances do not support the Maestro configuration.
PMTR-114894	The 3900 appliances do not support the VSNext mode.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

Ingard — Mon, 10 Nov 2025 08:19:21 GMT

In recent weeks, we have been increasingly deploying ElasticXL for our customers, as it provides the possibility of scalability.

Re: ClusterXL vs. ElasticXL

Oliver_Fink — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 08:05:28 GMT

As far as I understand:

On SMB Appliances (often left out when regarding features): Only ClusterXL in HA Mode is supported.