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Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Bernardes — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:12:37 GMT

Hello Mates!

I have an IP range from ISP, 3 of those IPs are used in the members cluster external interfaces and VIP cluster.

Currently, all of my private networks connect to the internet through a single IP (VIP cluster) and I would like to use more IPs from this range so that my private network uses more than just 1 IP dynamically.

So I configured a manual NAT rule following sk142833 :

I configured the proxy arp for these IPs that doesn't are directly on the gateways interfaces like asked on sk above:

The fw monitor shows the NAT working apparently, but when the manual rule is enable, the user internet connection doesn't work. When I disable the manual rule and criate NAT hide from the network object so the internet connection works fine.

Any advices?

Thank you!

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

AaronCP — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 19:45:40 GMT

Not sure if it's relevant, but your FW Monitor screenshot shows a different source port post-NAT.

If you run a tcpdump on your external interface, do you see the return traffic coming back to the gateway?

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Bernardes — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:19:38 GMT

Hello @AaronCP when I run tcpdump or fw monitor, I can't see the packet returns. The last information is the packet going out from gateway and don´t show nothing coming back.

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

AaronCP — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 23:48:48 GMT

If the gateway is NATing and routing the outbound traffic correctly, I would guess the upstream router isn't routing traffic for the .94 to your gateway.

If you run tcpdump -nnei eth0 host x.x.x.94 and arp on the gateway, do you see any arp requests for the .94 address?

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

the_rock — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 01:01:00 GMT

@AaronCP makes super logical point actually...run tcpdump command he gave or just fw monitor and filter for .94 address...fw monitor -e "accept host(x.x.x.94);"

Andy

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Sorin_Gogean — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 11:33:45 GMT

Hello,

I think your approach is WRONG, and let me tell you why 🙂.....

Indeed you have 3 Public IPs on the CKP Cluster - one as VIP and other two on the GWs.

On your set-up, there are several things wrong, as you can't use the stand-by public IP to NAT traffic that would go towards Internet through the primary GW.... or if that traffic will exit, then how you expect to return properly, as the standby appliance will respond to that IP....

So for the NAT, the way you want it, you should wither create a separate NAT pool like xxx.xxx.3.95 - 96 and use that .

Also until you figure out how things should be, do a standard NAT so the clients can get outside and have needed/required access, and play with NAT Pool for a couple of clients that you can play with...

@All others, am I wrong on my logic ?

Thank you,

PS: may I ask how many clients you have in the back that you would consider you require an extra NAT IP, there are some NAT alerts in CKP logs that would point out that you're reaching the limit.

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Bernardes — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:24:49 GMT

@AaronCP I don't think it's a upstream issue, the arp request is happenig like can you see below:

And when the NAT is automatic the connection works, so I am pretty sure that this problem is something wrong on Check Point Gateways.

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Bernardes — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:34:21 GMT

Hello @Sorin_Gogean ,

I have a /27 (30 IPs). I am not using the same IPs that are configured on interfaces to create this NAT. On interfaces I have .66, .67, and .68 to the VIP (currently, this is the IP used to out for the internet) and now I'm trying to use this little IP range for share these connections to the internet, like I showed on NAT rule above (.92, .93 and .94) .

What you saying is not applicable for my environment, but thank you for cooperate!

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

the_rock — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:39:01 GMT

Hey @Bernardes ...just to make sure Im not mistaken when I say this, are you saying that IF you use .94 in manual nat rule as you indicated that fails, but say if you use SAME ip address to hide nat for specific subnet, then users dont have an issue accessing the Internet?

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Bernardes — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:45:39 GMT

@the_rock exactly! If I set the .94(or any other IP from my range) in the network or host object, this NAT will be automaticly created and will works normally, but setting the manual rule, the user have no connection.

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

the_rock — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:51:41 GMT

Gotcha! Ok, lets start with basics...can you send a screenshot of whats enabled under NAT in global properties? Also, when that rule is in place, what happens if you do zdebug when someone tries to connect? Does it give any drops at all?

Andy

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Bernardes — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:00:51 GMT

The NAT global settings:

zdebug don't show any drop for this host

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

the_rock — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:03:28 GMT

Can you check all options in global properties for nat except ip pool nat and push policy and test again? For zdebug, also add the service as well, so command you did, and then (space) | grep 443

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

AaronCP — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:09:57 GMT

The upstream router is arp-ing the .94, but the gateway isn't responding to the arp request, so looks to be a proxy arp issue. Have you looked at SK30197?

You may have to enable Merge manual proxy ARP configuration in Global Properties | NAT.

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

AaronCP — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:11:08 GMT

I see @the_rock beat me to this suggestion! 🙂

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

the_rock — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:19:47 GMT

Its all good brother, you STILL owe me money from VPN route help I provided last time, but okay, I will wait patiently HAHA

Just kidding, always a pleasure to see you on here!

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Sorin_Gogean — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:49:09 GMT

Hey @Bernardes ,

Indeed, now I see that the screenshot it was for the ARP (making those IP to respond to external ICMP ) .

Have you tried without having them in ARP list, still it should not be any different.

Thank you,

PS: we have manual NATing done, with several IP's, some on the same network like the Checkpoint WAN side, and others from the Private DMZ and we didn't faced any issues.

Could it be that for IP Pool NAT you require that last checkbox ? (SK39327 )

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

the_rock — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:55:36 GMT

@Bernardes Toadd to what @Sorin_Gogean said...I would delete those proxy arp entries, you dont need them there. Thats only for DESTINATION nat , you dont need it for source nat at all.

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

Bernardes — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 14:13:25 GMT

@the_rock I check the box "merge manual proxy arp configuration" and now it works! I'm testing this host and now it connect to the internet with .94 IP normally... The rule seems to be working fine now!

Thank you so much for your advice! I'm keeping in test..

Re: Manual NAT rule many-to-few mode doesn't work

the_rock — Fri, 25 Nov 2022 14:17:33 GMT

You are welcome mate! Here comes my corny joke of the day, week, month, year that everyone is sick of hearing...for you, NO CHARGE, unless you use Iphone, and if you dont, then you get free coffe and a donut ; - )

But, in all seriousness, glad it worked...I apply this mentality to anything really. Sometimes, when you keep trying things and you hit a dead end, its always best thing to step back and start from basics, usually, that works 90% of the time in my experience.

Cheers and happy its solved and happy watching some great football games (or as our American friends would say soccer : - )

Have a good one!